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my name is Joe Palermo and in the realms

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what we're gonna be talking about I

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consider myself a paranormal adjust my

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research probably would have started

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with the UFO sighting ahead when I was

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14 I believe that was the summer 72 and

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I was old enough that it made that kind

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of impression on me that I wanted to

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learn everything I could about UFOs I

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spent a lot of time at the public

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library and I was in junior high at the

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time so I spent time in the junior high

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library and you know because I was as

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opposed to today jumping online that was

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that was the major source of any sort of

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information I might have gotten I'm not

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sure I was around open-minded people I

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just didn't care what they thought you

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know excuse me I remember you know

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telling my mom about this and her just

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kind of fluffing it off but at some

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point she I don't know whether she did

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or my Uncle Bob did hurt her brother but

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the topic came up and I was told about

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an encounter that they had in Fort Worth

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Texas it was a summer day of summer

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afternoon and they were all gathered at

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Grandma and Grandpa's house like they

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would of a summer evening and sitting on

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the porch and they said you know the

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sudden they're looking up and they're

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seen apparently this this disc type

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craft had come from behind the house but

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silent silently just sailed over and

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they saw it come over the roof of the

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house and just kept going and they just

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thought well how about that because you

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know it didn't stop it didn't land him

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no no his Ted Phillips would say no

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critters get out or anything it just

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just sailed over so it's like hmm so my

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mom's side of the family had an

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experience

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interesting well it it probably the best

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way to answer that is to say that it was

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a cumulative effect because I had

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experiences in infant hood if I can use

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that as a term that's where I had

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probably my first UFO sighting anyway

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maybe experience and I was

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I'm gonna guess three years old we lived

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above the tavern that my parents owned

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and serviced back in the well that would

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have been like 1961 our-our tavern was

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right off of left field of Sportsman's

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Park and st. Louis City st. Louis and it

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was a warm evening I remember that we

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it's it may have been pre daylight

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savings time because it was kind of

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Twilight it wasn't completely dark but

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as a child I'm there at the window and I

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see this black shiny car you know for a

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three-year-olds mind you know down

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curbside and I'm looking down and all of

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a sudden this sucker starts lifting

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straight up in the air and I had a

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favorite TV program at the time called

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super car which was one of Jerry

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Anderson's marionette puppet shows and

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that's all I could relate it to so I'm

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saying mom dad super car super car and

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they were over on the couch what I would

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later in ufology discovered the term

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switched off did quiet be quiet and you

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have to understand that at that time it

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was a Sunday night bonanza was on and if

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I had interrupted their TV viewing I had

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gotten a chewing out nothing from them

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nothing and this thing came up went past

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the window probably cleared the the

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roof of the tavern rotated towards the

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east and sailed off over the stadium mmm

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about time it got out of sight these

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guys became reanimated and a real

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interesting thing that happened there

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and again under normal conditions it

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would have been hon I'm hungry go make

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whereas what happened here was they both

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expressed a hunger they both got up off

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the couch and went to the kitchen to get

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something so they weren't behaving

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normal so that would have actually been

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you know that and then the UFO sighting

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when I was 14 kind of connected and of

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course at that time in the local media

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we had a lot going on with Piedmont

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and cattle mutilations going on in

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ellsbury Missouri and we hadn't we

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the Momo standing for Missouri monster

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was a bigfoot-type creature that

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wouldn't happen until just a little bit

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later but we were exposed to a similar

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so that kind of got the Bigfoot fever

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going so to speak so all of that being

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old enough to start reading and you know

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I mean not that I only started reading

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when I was 14 you know it just hit at

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that time that there was enough material

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out there to start you know got this

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mind curious and wanting answers

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well taco you had how many different

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experiences I encounters do you think

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with UFOs probably more than my share

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let's see infant 14 August of 77 I was

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in DeSoto Missouri and watched two lit

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objects chase each other in in dogfight

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fashion across the horizon moving

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forward there was a case and at this

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point I was already part of the UFO

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study group of greater st. Louis I'm

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part of Missouri MUFON went on a case

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where this this red dull glowing object

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rose above neighbors why won't even say

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neighbors we were we were alerted to

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this red object that was being seen

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where it was exactly and the late Walter

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representatives and off of a highway I'm

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gonna guess it may have been a mile mile

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and a half two miles off the highway

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across you know because we're in nowhere

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somebody's ranch property farm property

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whatever but off in the distance you

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could see you could make out the

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structure of the barn or the garage or

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whatever it was and I guess for these

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folks just like clockwork this red

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object rose above it and just sat there

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and I tried to take pictures of it they

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didn't turn out that kind of an

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interesting experience a friend of mine

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my Reiki Master Chris ivy we had just

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come back from eating out or something

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and she'd made the comment right then

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and there that you know she really

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wished she could see a UFO

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and as soon as the words came off of her

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lips from I'm gonna say it was probably

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30 feet in the air near the top of a

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the tree out over her car that was gone

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and she about Whitner pants and I said

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five six maybe more sightings I don't

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have kind of lost track I've had more

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than my share encounter the Third Kind

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I don't recall being outside of the

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craft when I was very small because I

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could definitely see the the layers of

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curvature to it and the shiny blackness

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and all that but as far as seeing that

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the Fourth Kind with encounters with

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an abduction experience or if it was

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just an encounter with them in the house

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but I'm trying to remember the it was it

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was after I was in my apartment I was

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the service of her house I'm gonna guess

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couch and I remember awaking memory of

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standing in the middle of the living

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scurrying towards the front of the house

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turning towards the inside of the house

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wanting to scream my next memory is a

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don't know which it was but I do

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remember the most distinct part of that

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encounter was my martial arts training

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kicked in and when I when I realized

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something was touching me I want to do a

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back fist and when I went to back fist I

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got that far and my arm froze like I was

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prevented from hitting anything and the

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prevent my arm from falling forward and

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running down the arm the right arm of

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one of these things and I remembered

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that it there was texture to it it felt

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it felt like a frog I I couldn't say

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scaly necessarily but very delicate

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textured it wasn't smooth it was

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textured and a little bit clammy that's

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that's the only thing of that nature

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that I could say for sure that happened

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that I had been involved in two other

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cases where the people I was with were

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one was in on the same 1991 I had been

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on a sky watch for me fine sky watch

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Missouri me fine sky watch with some

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friends and I know there was missing

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time involved with that one my sister

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Mary Boyer was into practicing the Silva

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method which is a back in the early 70s

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they would have referred to as kind of a

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form of mind control not on other people

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but where you train your mind to be able

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to do things and excuse me she did a

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regression on me in that particular case

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and now some people may think well you

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know you're probing the mind with

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hypnosis you know this could have been

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suggested and all that but I can assure

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anybody that the details that came out

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were not suggested the only thing that

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my sister ever said was what's happening

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now what happens next

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those are not leading statements for

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questions

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that's simply saying okay now what and

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that was the first time that I was

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actually I kind of intellectually knew

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it beforehand but that was the first

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time that I had actually experienced the

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concept that consciousness does not know

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any boundaries consciousness doesn't

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know time or space it just simply is and

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I was able to go to that time frame and

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send my consciousness to follow what

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happened to the person that was taken

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out of the car with us which was very

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interesting she was taken to a landed

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vehicle somewhere in the woods I I don't

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know for sure where but and led up a

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ramp that led into this it was it was

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craft it looked about the size of a

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small house from the outside but in

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going in it was much more vast in space

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on the interior that kind of a paradox

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is probably the wrong word but that kind

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of unreality we're okay from the outside

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you perceive it this size like the size

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of the cup but if you go inside it's the

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size of the table on the inside very odd

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time and space situation it's good

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question well then we fall into the the

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issue of trying to describe exactly what

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a dimension is I just know that there

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was something more on the inside of the

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of the expected perimeter then more

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space than there should have been I I

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don't know I I wouldn't liken it to a

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dimensional shift necessarily because to

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well I'm is it's possible this possible

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see you now you now you got me going

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quiet because my brain is working with

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the question trying to figure out how

293
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this okay well if we if we look at it

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from this standpoint then this could be

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and then this goose is like no I I don't

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[Music]

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to another where an object on the

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outside may appear small but much

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different once you make the change much

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once you shift over to the next

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adventure right right it's it's entirely

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possible oh just just for Records sake

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and documenting sake this this is

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December 8th I believe yes December 8th

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of 2013 that we're doing this so the

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documentarian and me primarily the

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things that have occurred to me

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September of 76 I had what is more

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firmly been entrenched in my mind now is

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an encounter with let's say a a people

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of the woods as one of my colleagues

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shall Dion and I are now referring to

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the Sasquatch or Bigfoot beings that was

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very interesting they happened in creve

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coeur Park September 14th and 15th of

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1976 and on my end it was kind of a

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fleeting glance but I did have a witness

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with me in fact there were two instances

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September 14th 76 at about 10:20 p.m. it

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was myself and on my friend my point set

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in each of our dates now if in that

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instance I didn't see anything okay

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it was the night before my color belt

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to be nice about it my date was very

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reserved and not even interested in much

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conversation so I excused myself right

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long or indifferent and I've taken flak

328
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from about this over the years from

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different people

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and I went outside with the car to

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practice my Kato's my forms because I

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had testing the very next day and yes I

333
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was doing it on the date well she she

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was in the sport she I think she would

335
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have rather been on the soccer field

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kicking a ball around and been out me at

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that point I was outside the car working

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on my forms and I heard a commotion over

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at my station wagon 67 Chevy station

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wagon and my buddy Mike was clumsily

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trying to get be excuse me out of the

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car in his fist race like he was gonna

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pound somebody now mind you it's

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peaceful calm outside I don't know

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what's going on what's gotten imaginated

346
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you know because he was having a good

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time with his girlfriend in the back of

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the station wagon so like what is going

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on and he calls me over the car and says

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you've invested on the car no Mike I

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don't know what she's talking about and

352
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yes he I knew Mike from drama class in

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high school and he could be a joker he

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wasn't joking at this point the look on

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his face he was real perplexed he didn't

356
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understand what was going on now would

357
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come to find out that the three of them

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had seen shadows of hands and Mike put

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his hands out like this indicating eye

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hand shadow this big on the passenger

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side of the car I was on the driver's

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side of the car okay which in quick

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analysis of it because I you know when

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Mike's telling me I'm like okay he's

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playing around but when I got in the car

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his girlfriend was about hysterical and

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my date had a single tear coming down

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her cheek and she's can we please go

369
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home now I thought okay whatever

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happened really impacted these two and

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you know usually when Mike does

372
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something he does a very out in the open

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and blatantly and then laughs about it

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there was nothing being laughed about at

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this point

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so I thought okay well let's take the

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girls home and as the evening progressed

378
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I'm running to my mind what all the

379
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possibilities were because even though

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when I was doing my forms you know the

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style that I study you know your arms

382
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are out there doing you know different

383
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hand moves and even though a couple of

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cars came by and it was dark again

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September 14th

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you know 10:20 p.m. I stopped I had my

387
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hands down so in no way she performed

388
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could it had been the shadow of my arms

389
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or hands against the car and again even

390
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if it had been I was on the driver's

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side of the car not the passenger side

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where they saw the shadows so that

393
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wasn't that wasn't the answer

394
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and we took the girls home we get them

395
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stopped to the local restaurant got him

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something to drink and calm them down

397
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and took him along they lived up north

398
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County st. Louis just north of Tucson me

399
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if anybody he was watching this I'm

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talking about or you can check it out

401
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and on the way back Mike of course was

402
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perplexed I was perplexed and you know

403
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when you're mid teen 17 18 19 years old

404
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you feel invulnerable you feel like you

405
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can take on the world like you can you

406
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know and he's the Golden Glove boxer I'm

407
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a martial artist we're gonna go back

408
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there we're gonna find out who's doing

409
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this and we're gonna ride you know

410
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:05,490
hmm so we decide to go back to the park

411
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and the creeks or park has three

412
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sections to it we were on this section

413
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that was lakeside where the the Falls

414
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are there's a specific part of the area

415
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that has these Falls in the engine

416
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:22,360
Indian legend of the you know the Indian

417
00:24:28,169 --> 00:24:26,559
princess that you know oh my my Indian

418
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:28,179
prince or whatever and throw their self

419
00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:30,369
off the falls Papa Papa so we're down

420
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:31,230
there

421
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:35,970
and this time we took the car all the

422
00:24:43,540 --> 00:24:39,450
way down to the fall area before we have

423
00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:43,550
been parked three quarters of the way up

424
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:45,780
from the falls we went all the way down

425
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to the circular and parked and parked

426
00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:55,550
killed the lights killed the engine

427
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,540
cranked our windows down about an inch

428
00:25:04,760 --> 00:24:59,520
to hear some somebody was coming up on

429
00:25:06,650 --> 00:25:04,770
the car and two or three minutes ago by

430
00:25:09,460 --> 00:25:06,660
when they're sitting there not doing

431
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:09,470
anything two or three minutes feels like

432
00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:13,080
15-20 minutes and I was getting anxious

433
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:14,670
because I needed to go home get rest

434
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:17,460
before the testing and I started to tell

435
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:20,700
Mike Mike I don't think and he's like

436
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:25,410
Shh because he spotted something there

437
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,910
was a there's a path over about the

438
00:25:31,670 --> 00:25:28,880
Falls that leads back into the park and

439
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:31,680
he spotted something over there some

440
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,930
kind of a figure and I can't quite see

441
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,760
anything because my eyes were not used

442
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:40,620
to seeing in the dark like his was he

443
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:42,330
was used to night hunting with his dad

444
00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:48,450
so he's watching it and he's watching it

445
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:53,040
move along the perimeter of our area and

446
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,410
I can't see anything and he finally gets

447
00:25:58,790 --> 00:25:57,240
frustrated enough to beast like it's

448
00:26:02,990 --> 00:25:58,800
right

449
00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:03,000
any points and he's pointing up his eyes

450
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:04,560
are burning a little bit so he does one

451
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:08,460
of these things so with his arm up I

452
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,370
lean forward and I trace his arm up and

453
00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:14,640
I see between two trees against kind of

454
00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:23,240
a backlit night clouds it was great this

455
00:26:31,820 --> 00:26:28,430
outline of this massive looking thing

456
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:31,830
lumber between two trees and there was

457
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,740
actually a knot on the first tree but I

458
00:26:38,659 --> 00:26:36,480
couldn't see where its head was right

459
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:38,669
about there is a mode

460
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,299
and I immediately thought need to go

461
00:26:50,899 --> 00:26:48,000
need to get out of here

462
00:26:55,049 --> 00:26:50,909
danger danger Will Robinson

463
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:55,059
so I start the car up thanks I claim it

464
00:26:59,549 --> 00:26:56,830
whoa let's let's see if we can get a

465
00:27:03,720 --> 00:26:59,559
better look and against my better

466
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:03,730
judgment I think okay we're in you know

467
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:06,640
X number of tons of steel in the car and

468
00:27:11,730 --> 00:27:09,250
iron were protected if anything goes

469
00:27:15,570 --> 00:27:11,740
down I just have to drop it in gear

470
00:27:19,139 --> 00:27:15,580
floor it and get out of it so I agreed

471
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,149
to hang on and of course this moved back

472
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:21,279
into the density of the trees and I

473
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:25,090
can't see it in the dark and he says mm

474
00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:27,390
it's right over there

475
00:27:35,130 --> 00:27:32,260
and I think it's looking at us again my

476
00:27:38,899 --> 00:27:35,140
mind realistically going it's looking at

477
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:38,909
us it's now trained its attention on us

478
00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:41,890
what happens if it attacks the car what

479
00:27:46,769 --> 00:27:43,929
happens if it puts a dent in the car or

480
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:46,779
crashes the windshield or something how

481
00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:47,770
am I going to explain this to my

482
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:50,020
insurance company that's truly what I

483
00:27:56,220 --> 00:27:51,240
was thinking

484
00:27:59,340 --> 00:27:56,230
and the key something that will happen

485
00:28:03,299 --> 00:27:59,350
later on also is he said it's kind of

486
00:28:05,130 --> 00:28:03,309
swaying back and forth and let me tell

487
00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:05,140
you if you're ever out in the woods in

488
00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:08,200
the dark in you see a figure that's

489
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:10,630
tuned one of these it probably has honed

490
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:15,720
in on you and he's watching now what I

491
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:21,730
was experiencing at that point was the

492
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:23,890
fear that someone doesn't have any idea

493
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:26,289
about what they're looking at might feel

494
00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:30,460
I don't feel that way now I've had

495
00:28:36,659 --> 00:28:33,340
enough experience with these beings in

496
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:36,669
fact as of the shooting of this document

497
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:40,210
this this recording in the last month I

498
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:43,090
have had two other sightings of these

499
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:45,760
beings and again

500
00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:48,490
they are beings they're not well

501
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:50,560
creature to be a generic term but

502
00:29:08,190 --> 00:28:54,310
they're not animal-like most people are

503
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,200
led to believe they're not because there

504
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:10,740
are people out there well I'm I'm not

505
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:14,170
one yet I may become one but there are

506
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:16,390
people out there who are able to

507
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:20,050
communicate with these beings and have

508
00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:23,490
been doing so for a number of years I

509
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:29,920
first started hearing about that mmm 15

510
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:34,690
20 years ago and I thought well that's

511
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:35,290
weird

512
00:29:43,910 --> 00:29:37,870
sake communications yeah psychic

513
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:48,180
sounds recorded guttural some sort of

514
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:51,160
vocalizations that have been recorded a

515
00:29:57,150 --> 00:29:53,470
man named Scott Nelson here in Missouri

516
00:29:59,640 --> 00:29:57,160
I think he's not a Springfield maybe it

517
00:30:03,600 --> 00:29:59,650
was the linguist for the Navy when he

518
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:03,610
was in has gathered a bunch of these

519
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:06,010
sounds and he's almost been able to

520
00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:11,260
decipher a language out of these but I

521
00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:13,060
just wanted to emphasize that now

522
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:16,420
because when I'm relating is a

523
00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:20,530
fear-based moment of experience I no

524
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:24,160
longer have that now I would not

525
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:26,170
necessarily go out by myself

526
00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:30,850
that night because of these beings as

527
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:33,940
I've come to understand there are some

528
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:39,310
that are interested in bridging that

529
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:43,120
communication gap with humans but some

530
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:47,710
that absolutely abhor he moans and you

531
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:49,960
know when you consider what they have

532
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,260
likely observed in their time of us

533
00:30:59,010 --> 00:30:58,000
where our behavior is not real pretty

534
00:31:03,780 --> 00:30:59,020
sometimes

535
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:03,790
to say there's a some type of reasoning

536
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:06,730
on their part as well so that all the

537
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:09,850
time that they like humans develop hate

538
00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:13,510
for something over love or something you

539
00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:15,940
could even maybe go so far as call it a

540
00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:20,680
prejudice prejudging somebody before you

541
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:21,820
know who they are

542
00:31:35,340 --> 00:31:31,660
okay many animals out there have a fear

543
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:35,350
of humans especially if they're wild

544
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:41,170
animals I don't know of a lot of cases

545
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:43,510
where wild animals readily come up to

546
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:47,650
humans and go hi why you know or I'm I'm

547
00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:49,690
a turkey gobble gobble or deer or any of

548
00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:52,360
that most of the time when you're out in

549
00:32:18,830 --> 00:31:56,590
the wild if animals sense you they'll go

550
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:18,840
the other direction they can be both I

551
00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:22,170
mean they're they definitely leave a

552
00:32:28,170 --> 00:32:25,480
physical impression on this if you will

553
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:28,180
3d reality I mean there's footprints

554
00:32:33,090 --> 00:32:29,890
there's hair samples there's dung

555
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:33,100
there's blood you know stuff like that

556
00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:37,450
has been gathered from the field in and

557
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:40,270
well I know I wouldn't necessarily say

558
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:42,610
not analyzed properly but the trick that

559
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:46,320
you've got and I think you know there's

560
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:48,670
there's people that love her you know

561
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:50,740
lover or hater dr. Melba Ketchum out of

562
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:54,880
Texas has spent five years on what is

563
00:32:59,700 --> 00:32:57,070
being referred to as a sasquatch genome

564
00:33:01,980 --> 00:32:59,710
project where they've gotten a variety

565
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:01,990
of samples from the field from different

566
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:07,450
areas of the United States and many of

567
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:10,710
them carry the same marker

568
00:33:19,970 --> 00:33:16,050
which indicates the same animal okay and

569
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:19,980
you know before this that was the trick

570
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:24,240
you know if you've gotten a field sample

571
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:29,100
of whatever and you analyze it as in in

572
00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:31,170
our case as I understand it you're

573
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:33,740
working with a friend of mine is that my

574
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:36,570
that initial case in Kruger Park took me

575
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:38,760
on a five-year investigation track in

576
00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:41,460
the park and we did in fact come up with

577
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:45,270
some field samples of hair and flesh and

578
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:49,440
blood and back at that time of course

579
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:52,530
you you analyze something and it comes

580
00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:56,010
up and unknown well that's all it is

581
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,490
isn't unknown you can't say oh this is a

582
00:34:05,150 --> 00:34:02,000
sasquatch because it doesn't matter bear

583
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:05,160
well you can't say that because you have

584
00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:08,370
nothing to compare that unknown to where

585
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:09,870
with what the Sasquatch Genome Project

586
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:14,250
is done is gathered samples from various

587
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,780
places and thanks to DNA research and

588
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:20,760
being able to check that type of thing

589
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:24,000
they found similar traits in these

590
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:26,430
various things okay all of this has come

591
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:31,490
from the same type of animal an unknown

592
00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:36,990
it's not Fox not a bear not this net so

593
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:40,470
it's not a positive ID but it certainly

594
00:34:50,649 --> 00:34:44,040
is enough there to say we have an

595
00:34:56,589 --> 00:34:53,960
what has been your latest experience

596
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:04,789
well very very pleasant actually because

597
00:35:11,539 --> 00:35:07,890
again my situation the last situation I

598
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:11,549
was involved in involving Creek or

599
00:35:16,309 --> 00:35:14,700
Parker's in 79 where I didn't see the

600
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:16,319
creature but the three people I was with

601
00:35:22,759 --> 00:35:20,640
did and if two of them it scared Alton

602
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:22,769
scared them off friends might from

603
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,930
college and all of a sudden I couldn't

604
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:26,400
find them anywhere on campus they didn't

605
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:29,720
talk to me bump up uh blah blah but

606
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:33,420
recently in the last I'll say in the

607
00:35:43,279 --> 00:35:38,180
last month for dating purposes here I

608
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:43,289
was traveling east on graboid highway 30

609
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:47,839
in st. Louis County off of 141

610
00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:51,450
yeah daylight sighting along about 10:30

611
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:55,470
in the morning and on the opposite end

612
00:36:02,769 --> 00:35:58,859
of the road on the opposite side of the

613
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:02,779
road there's a road that went off

614
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,369
seemingly from my vantage point into a

615
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,680
wooded area although if you get past the

616
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,359
trees there's a Sports Complex back

617
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:11,839
there but there was a white pickup

618
00:36:18,229 --> 00:36:16,079
pulling off of 30 going west that pulled

619
00:36:20,989 --> 00:36:18,239
off on that road and right right as it

620
00:36:23,809 --> 00:36:20,999
moved I saw something

621
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:23,819
they had enough height to it that my

622
00:36:32,019 --> 00:36:28,170
initial thought was oh a horse and it

623
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:32,029
had a chestnut Auburn colored hair to it

624
00:36:41,029 --> 00:36:37,470
and I think what made me initially think

625
00:36:44,779 --> 00:36:41,039
a horse was as tall as it was and the

626
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:44,789
hair flying off of the body but then as

627
00:36:53,029 --> 00:36:50,630
as my mind is identifying it Oh a horse

628
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:53,039
the other part of the mine is going yet

629
00:36:57,529 --> 00:36:54,900
but the hair is all the way down this

630
00:37:03,170 --> 00:36:57,539
body there's no back side to it there's

631
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:03,180
no tail it's just tall in hair probably

632
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:06,990
a foot long off of Holabird so that by

633
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,480
the time I got done saying oh a horse

634
00:37:13,309 --> 00:37:11,760
I'm going no that's not a horse and

635
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:13,319
before I get finished with that thought

636
00:37:20,290 --> 00:37:17,190
it was dissin he was in movement the

637
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:20,300
same direction of the truck was going

638
00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:23,880
now I don't want to say disappeared but

639
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:26,339
it certainly went into the the trees and

640
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:27,750
that door I couldn't see it anymore

641
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:30,930
and I did double back later and go down

642
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:32,940
that road and that's how I found out

643
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:35,150
there was a Sports Complex down there

644
00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:37,410
there's no stables there's no place for

645
00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:41,550
animals not really seen anyway so I

646
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:45,420
thought after all this time I've seen

647
00:37:53,420 --> 00:37:50,910
another one and what the punctuation on

648
00:37:55,579 --> 00:37:53,430
that was that I was already planning on

649
00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:55,589
going with a new friend and colleague

650
00:38:03,319 --> 00:37:59,180
shall Dionne from over in Illinois and

651
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:03,329
her friend Rick Cruz and her other

652
00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:06,300
friend David at the time we were going

653
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:09,980
to meet in mid-missouri essentially

654
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:16,650
because okay okay without laying the

655
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:20,720
groundwork on it shel was being summoned

656
00:38:25,370 --> 00:38:22,890
over here in Missouri through her

657
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,380
sister's connection with the Sasquatch

658
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:27,780
people because they needed to talk to

659
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:32,250
her quick background on shel apparently

660
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:35,190
all of her life she has had a connection

661
00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:38,430
in the communication of some sort with

662
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:41,790
the Sasquatch people she and a man named

663
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,500
Freeman young on Facebook have a group

664
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:49,440
that called tree peakers because

665
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:52,710
apparently there's some Sasquatch that

666
00:38:59,230 --> 00:38:55,980
have the ability to do what's been

667
00:39:02,450 --> 00:38:59,240
referred to either as I shine or I glow

668
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:02,460
which when shell and her people came

669
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:05,240
over and I got with them I was able to

670
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:12,119
see the experience and having seen the

671
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:14,910
eye glow I have a much greater

672
00:39:20,350 --> 00:39:16,920
appreciation for some of the

673
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:20,360
pictures that they posted on Facebook

674
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:23,060
I've been a photographer since age 12

675
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:26,130
okay black and white color but we're

676
00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:30,270
talking back in the film days darkroom

677
00:39:36,590 --> 00:39:34,380
developing printing all that and when I

678
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:36,600
saw these pictures posted on Facebook I

679
00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:39,920
initially thought hmm

680
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:44,990
you know with Photoshop being what it is

681
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:49,110
you know it almost looks like somebody

682
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:50,570
put that there

683
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:53,610
well now having seen the eye I shine and

684
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:55,620
I glow I understand why it looks that

685
00:40:00,110 --> 00:39:58,050
way and I'm sure if I tried to take a

686
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:00,120
picture of it I might wind up with a

687
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,970
similar quality although I'm hoping that

688
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:05,280
in fact with this camera that were

689
00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:06,690
shooting this interview with I'm hoping

690
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:10,740
to get footage of these beings that will

691
00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:25,920
allow us to know and for sick of what

692
00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:29,190
we're doing I won't although I will say

693
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:37,320
that Rick was amazed that within a short

694
00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:39,690
distance of where we had planned

695
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:42,780
well not planned really where we had our

696
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:45,870
first encounter with these beings we

697
00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:48,030
thought we were done with the night you

698
00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:50,190
know we were prepared to be out out in

699
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:52,950
the cold in the night until well however

700
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:55,710
long it took maybe till sunrise you know

701
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,720
but it didn't take that long at all

702
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,700
because they were expecting shell and

703
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:00,960
they made their presence known

704
00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:04,320
you know so if I'm guests and we were

705
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:06,660
done that like 10:30 she's been caught

706
00:41:11,230 --> 00:41:08,090
you saying that she was

707
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:11,240
contact with them psychically so that's

708
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:13,010
how you guys need to be at a certain

709
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:19,280
spot certain time not exactly

710
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:22,990
okay shell lives in Illinois her sister

711
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:28,310
who for sake of future actions I will

712
00:41:35,380 --> 00:41:31,760
remain nameless at this point lives over

713
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:35,390
here about mid-missouri she was giving

714
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,910
some sort of communication from these

715
00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:40,400
beings that they want they wanted Chell

716
00:41:45,010 --> 00:41:42,230
she knew they knew she was connected to

717
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:45,020
shell and that they wanted shell to come

718
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:47,690
over to bridge the communication gap

719
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:53,690
between them and her okay in shall I

720
00:41:58,450 --> 00:41:56,180
I've been in touch with shall I met

721
00:42:03,280 --> 00:41:58,460
shell on Facebook roughly February of

722
00:42:04,810 --> 00:42:03,290
this year 2013 and facebooking back and

723
00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:04,820
forth emailing back and forth and

724
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:09,470
finally calling back and forth most

725
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:11,260
everything that she was telling me about

726
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:14,270
her experiences and what she and Freeman

727
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:15,770
are teaching and that kind of thing just

728
00:42:25,930 --> 00:42:20,450
rained true I ever heard her say

729
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:25,940
anything that sounded fishy so finding

730
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:28,670
out that shell was gonna be coming over

731
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,730
here and it's such close proximity

732
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:33,440
because we're where she lives in

733
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:37,130
Illinois is far enough away that it made

734
00:42:44,980 --> 00:42:40,490
going to visit her a challenge whereas

735
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,990
where she was coming over to Illinois it

736
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,880
actually only wound up being like a

737
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:49,040
little over an hour away so I couldn't

738
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:50,930
pass up that opportunity I had to go

739
00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:51,740
meet this woman

740
00:42:58,510 --> 00:42:54,260
I was actually there's a part of me that

741
00:43:05,590 --> 00:42:58,520
was just being driven that I need to

742
00:43:10,930 --> 00:43:05,600
meet shell and hmm buzz buzz buzz that

743
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:10,940
would be my cellphone but that's okay it

744
00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:13,010
when she'll find out I was at location

745
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:14,840
earlier she said oh good well you can

746
00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:17,780
scout around the area and find out where

747
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,390
we might be able to try to communicate

748
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:23,680
which I've never done before a side of

749
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,319
group work parks is like okay well so we

750
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:28,450
wind up I found the only place that may

751
00:43:34,009 --> 00:43:31,089
even sense to we if we went there and we

752
00:43:38,370 --> 00:43:34,019
were found there you know late the night

753
00:43:42,029 --> 00:43:38,380
it wouldn't be problematic because I'm

754
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,039
not one to trespass I'm not one to you

755
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:44,400
know do something that might incur the

756
00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:49,599
attention of the police I had better

757
00:43:54,589 --> 00:43:51,219
things to do with my time than have to

758
00:43:59,009 --> 00:43:54,599
deal with it something like that so

759
00:44:03,059 --> 00:43:59,019
found a location we went there in within

760
00:44:06,569 --> 00:44:03,069
20 minutes they were in touch with them

761
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:06,579
so they did their thing when we were

762
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:12,249
done we were in route back to the motel

763
00:44:21,319 --> 00:44:16,170
that we were at and it happened that

764
00:44:23,789 --> 00:44:21,329
during the first encounter Rick had made

765
00:44:26,789 --> 00:44:23,799
when he made announcements of who all

766
00:44:31,229 --> 00:44:26,799
this here he referred to himself as the

767
00:44:34,109 --> 00:44:31,239
owl man and so this person that we were

768
00:44:36,689 --> 00:44:34,119
with you know we're driving down the

769
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:36,699
road and she's like why don't you knock

770
00:44:42,089 --> 00:44:39,130
yourself is out man what what is that

771
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:42,099
all about so she'll says well find the

772
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:43,599
place down here off the road to pull

773
00:44:47,579 --> 00:44:45,849
over and and Rick will get out and show

774
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:47,589
you what he's called because himself

775
00:44:53,939 --> 00:44:49,900
beyond or maybe the the sax cars people

776
00:44:57,479 --> 00:44:53,949
did so we put completely random place we

777
00:44:59,849 --> 00:44:57,489
pull over he gets out I get out with him

778
00:45:01,009 --> 00:44:59,859
because I'm just I'm wanting to be right

779
00:45:04,019 --> 00:45:01,019
in the thick of everything

780
00:45:06,209 --> 00:45:04,029
Amy starts making these calls because

781
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,219
apparently his reputation is that when

782
00:45:11,339 --> 00:45:08,880
he makes these calls if there's an owl

783
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:11,349
within like half a mile bail hearing

784
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:12,490
then don't

785
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:16,880
well no owls came but more sasquatch

786
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:20,450
came completely unexpected had nothing

787
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:23,270
to do with the experience we had just a

788
00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:28,700
half-hour ago that's where I really saw

789
00:45:40,539 --> 00:45:38,180
some of the eyes shine and after we were

790
00:45:42,549 --> 00:45:40,549
done with the situation but we got back

791
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:42,559
on the car I went Rick was commenting

792
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:48,710
that he was amazed and how there seemed

793
00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:50,990
to be sense watching everywhere over

794
00:45:57,789 --> 00:45:55,160
here we didn't we didn't have to go to a

795
00:46:00,569 --> 00:45:57,799
place where there were there had been

796
00:46:05,339 --> 00:46:00,579
signs if you if you go in the woods

797
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:05,349
during the day there's potentially

798
00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:08,260
things done with trees with branches

799
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:11,960
that might indicate a habitat of

800
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:15,650
Sasquatch didn't hit look for anything

801
00:46:21,309 --> 00:46:17,510
like that you just pulled off a random

802
00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:21,319
place and boom there they were so that

803
00:46:29,799 --> 00:46:24,260
was probably the most amazing thing

804
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:29,809
about that well actually it was I was

805
00:46:34,329 --> 00:46:31,960
exposed to the concept of the chupacabra

806
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:34,339
I'm going to see either October or

807
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:39,290
November of 1995 my late friend Bob buck

808
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:40,970
was the first one to bring it to

809
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:43,849
everybody's attention here in the st.

810
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:46,450
Louis metropolitan area it was through

811
00:46:56,799 --> 00:46:49,640
back when we were having Illinois MUFON

812
00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:56,809
meetings and he Bob had gone on a couple

813
00:47:01,000 --> 00:46:59,450
of I hate to use the term expedition

814
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:01,010
because I'm out really expeditions

815
00:47:09,730 --> 00:47:05,089
they're more like tourist things but he

816
00:47:13,450 --> 00:47:09,740
he had gone on one to Puerto Rico then

817
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,460
the year before and now of course the at

818
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:16,480
this point news about the chupacabra is

819
00:47:24,849 --> 00:47:21,200
coming more into into the

820
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:24,859
mmm mainstream for lucky better terms at

821
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:27,650
least the paranormal mainstream is there

822
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:29,270
such a thing as a paranormal mainstream

823
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:34,400
I don't know anyway Bob had brought

824
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:38,650
effects illustration of the creature

825
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:41,390
that he gotten from Jorge Martinez

826
00:47:50,799 --> 00:47:47,569
Errico and he was showing it and it's

827
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:50,809
just like playing out weird like like

828
00:48:00,430 --> 00:47:54,160
almost like a bad design for a b-movie

829
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:00,440
monster and but then after Bob brought

830
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:05,390
it to our attention on the old dreamland

831
00:48:12,430 --> 00:48:09,200
show our del was talking about it and

832
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:12,440
then Inside Edition did a short piece on

833
00:48:18,609 --> 00:48:14,450
it so it's like okay this isn't just

834
00:48:21,490 --> 00:48:18,619
somebody goofing around there are other

835
00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:21,500
sources talking about this and I was

836
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:24,619
given the opportunity to be the official

837
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:28,970
videographer on an expedition going to

838
00:48:33,690 --> 00:48:30,890
Puerto Rico it was supposed to be

839
00:48:39,220 --> 00:48:33,700
January get backed up to February but

840
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:39,230
February of 96 I went down and Dinah

841
00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:42,650
Puerto Rico and we spent a week down

842
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:44,750
there the actual deal for all expedition

843
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:51,680
was to seek out a resisting saying like

844
00:48:59,740 --> 00:48:52,970
sight seek out new life and new

845
00:49:03,220 --> 00:48:59,750
civilizations yes I'm a trekker but to

846
00:49:05,799 --> 00:49:03,230
look at paranormal encounters overall

847
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:05,809
but the chupacabra was really

848
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:09,970
high-profile when we went down there as

849
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:14,720
I Don the up the monster Quest episode

850
00:49:20,339 --> 00:49:17,690
day and night whether it was on

851
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:20,349
television on the radio and newspapers

852
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:22,220
everybody was talking about the

853
00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:27,410
chupacabra and we had the good fortune

854
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:31,400
to being able to go and interview the

855
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:34,329
police department of canal Venice

856
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:41,390
we interviewed two three three

857
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,770
eyewitnesses what was her name I can't

858
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:51,760
think of her name right now well

859
00:50:00,609 --> 00:49:57,020
Madeleine Tolentino her husband Jose

860
00:50:04,839 --> 00:50:00,619
Augusto in the first one it's in my

861
00:50:08,799 --> 00:50:04,849
documentary on the subject but these

862
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,809
people that this what I what I came away

863
00:50:12,099 --> 00:50:10,640
from this investigation with was that

864
00:50:15,609 --> 00:50:12,109
this was not somebody's imagination

865
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:15,619
first off imagination does not attack

866
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:20,950
and leave animal corpses imagination

867
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:24,200
imagination doesn't have a physical

868
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:26,450
impact on our reality we were talking

869
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:28,760
about Bigfoot being interdimensional or

870
00:50:34,539 --> 00:50:31,460
what you know it's like no there there

871
00:50:37,539 --> 00:50:34,549
although it may be it does touch this 3d

872
00:50:41,019 --> 00:50:37,549
reality that we're just as - Chupacabra

873
00:50:42,819 --> 00:50:41,029
this creature that's been assigned the

874
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:42,829
name or the title of Chupacabra

875
00:50:50,799 --> 00:50:46,390
chupacabra in English means goat sucker

876
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:50,809
okay it's not an official you know in

877
00:51:01,539 --> 00:50:56,450
biology or zoology when a new animal is

878
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:01,549
named its assigned genus usually a Latin

879
00:51:07,299 --> 00:51:04,940
name of some sort phylum you know a king

880
00:51:09,339 --> 00:51:07,309
day it's put into this scientific

881
00:51:12,609 --> 00:51:09,349
category and he has all these the

882
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:12,619
chupacabra doesn't have that the reason

883
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:15,260
it was called the chupacabra initially

884
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:17,750
is because the first animal victims

885
00:51:23,859 --> 00:51:21,740
found were goats and it was presumed

886
00:51:27,579 --> 00:51:23,869
because of the blood that was found

887
00:51:30,430 --> 00:51:27,589
around the body that this thing was

888
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:30,440
vampire like and that it sucked the

889
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:34,970
blood of the ghost thus goat sucker well

890
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:38,660
turns out it's probably very strong

891
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:43,190
misnomer miss named because the necropsy

892
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:45,260
test results

893
00:51:50,490 --> 00:51:47,990
of dr. Carlos Otto which my late friend

894
00:51:53,530 --> 00:51:50,500
Bob Buck was fortunate enough to get on

895
00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:53,540
his third trip down there and which is

896
00:52:00,100 --> 00:51:57,500
incorporated into the documentary he

897
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:00,110
flat out says of all the animals that

898
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:03,430
he's done he crops he's on some of them

899
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:07,310
had a lesser amount of blood than should

900
00:52:14,020 --> 00:52:10,970
have most had a normal amount but no

901
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:14,030
animal that he's ever any crop seed was

902
00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:19,390
drained of blood it's it's not accurate

903
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:23,300
what is accurate is that this whatever

904
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:29,890
this creature is had a profoundly unique

905
00:52:37,930 --> 00:52:34,640
strange weird effect on the animal on

906
00:52:44,590 --> 00:52:37,940
the internals of the animal

907
00:52:47,830 --> 00:52:44,600
we were told Bob was told that a the

908
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:47,840
animal never went into rigor mortis are

909
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:51,880
almost never went into rigor mortis B

910
00:53:00,400 --> 00:52:58,130
these animals would take at least five

911
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:00,410
six seven sometimes ten eleven twelve

912
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:06,410
days to begin decomposition that

913
00:53:13,630 --> 00:53:09,940
shouldn't be the flat-out shouldn't be

914
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:13,640
the puncture wounds on the animals had

915
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:18,890
no saliva in them and I thought long and

916
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:22,640
hard about that statement and I think I

917
00:53:29,410 --> 00:53:25,090
may have come up with a solution on that

918
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:29,420
and that being that the animals found

919
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:32,690
had typically had a series of puncture

920
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:36,800
wounds on them that would result in the

921
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:40,130
appearance of having been bit three

922
00:53:44,110 --> 00:53:42,410
times or six times now when people think

923
00:53:47,650 --> 00:53:44,120
of that they're thinking of a typical

924
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:47,660
animal attack canines grabbing the

925
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:50,720
animal two puncture wounds

926
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:53,599
but no saliva in this case well the

927
00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:56,960
chupacabra has been noted by almost all

928
00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:00,430
the eyewitnesses as having three fingers

929
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:04,460
three toes with claws as Madeline

930
00:54:12,849 --> 00:54:06,650
Tolentino emphasizes in the documentary

931
00:54:14,530 --> 00:54:12,859
claws not nails claws and so as I'm as

932
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:14,540
I'm putting together this documentary

933
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:17,599
and I'm going over this no saliva and

934
00:54:25,950 --> 00:54:23,359
the puncture wounds ah thing didn't bite

935
00:54:28,210 --> 00:54:25,960
him he came up and grabbed him

936
00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:28,220
that's what and the placement of the

937
00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:30,320
fingers is why they seemed like they

938
00:54:35,260 --> 00:54:33,320
were bit in three different places that

939
00:54:38,260 --> 00:54:35,270
explains no saliva and the puncture

940
00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:38,270
wounds yeah here gets me even trickier

941
00:54:46,930 --> 00:54:44,900
part when dr. Sardo would you know do

942
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:46,940
the necropsy peeling across the the

943
00:54:52,810 --> 00:54:50,420
epidermis letters and tracing this outer

944
00:54:55,420 --> 00:54:52,820
puncture wound he would find that this

945
00:54:59,320 --> 00:54:55,430
outer puncture wound led to four other

946
00:55:02,140 --> 00:54:59,330
holes that led into the animal where

947
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:02,150
there was no outer trauma these these

948
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:05,599
four other four holes weren't caused

949
00:55:08,890 --> 00:55:07,130
from the outside going in they were

950
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:08,900
cautioned that one puncture wound going

951
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:12,940
in and furthering into the animal and

952
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:16,010
tracing that it might trace to the heart

953
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:18,170
might trace to the liver might trace to

954
00:55:24,099 --> 00:55:20,290
the stomach might trace to the kidney

955
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:24,109
various organs in the body and those

956
00:55:30,849 --> 00:55:27,970
organs were that hole traced and strips

957
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:30,859
removed from those particular organs

958
00:55:40,779 --> 00:55:38,170
what in the world is that about what

959
00:55:43,779 --> 00:55:40,789
what what instrumentation do you use to

960
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:43,789
go through such a small I think they

961
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:48,430
said that they were eight centimeters I

962
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:50,809
want to say eight I may be wrong on that

963
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:53,960
but let's buzz mom but very small what

964
00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:56,960
instrumentation do you have to put into

965
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:01,400
that small opening in worm it around in

966
00:56:09,339 --> 00:56:05,119
the body and wind up going directly to

967
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:09,349
an Oregon now the average person doesn't

968
00:56:17,650 --> 00:56:13,490
know that and I think even a seasoned

969
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:17,660
experienced veterinary if you've

970
00:56:26,589 --> 00:56:22,630
challenged okay here's a pig take this

971
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:26,599
thing and without any microscopic

972
00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:29,210
without looking being able to look where

973
00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:31,339
you're going make that thing touch the

974
00:56:36,490 --> 00:56:33,380
kidney make that thing touch the heart

975
00:56:39,010 --> 00:56:36,500
make that I think that would be just

976
00:56:42,329 --> 00:56:39,020
challenge to do that so how does this

977
00:56:46,059 --> 00:56:42,339
creature this seems to be a living

978
00:56:51,250 --> 00:56:46,069
certainly moving animated being of some

979
00:56:53,529 --> 00:56:51,260
sort how does it even know you know and

980
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:53,539
this is a lot of these create a lot of

981
00:56:57,789 --> 00:56:55,250
these animals that were attacked protect

982
00:57:00,279 --> 00:56:57,799
on the neck like this thing came up

983
00:57:02,829 --> 00:57:00,289
either behind her in front and grabbed

984
00:57:06,849 --> 00:57:02,839
him and you know doing something to him

985
00:57:09,789 --> 00:57:06,859
was this animal no and now it is noted

986
00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:09,799
that it was supposed to have had an aunt

987
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:12,680
either type tongue very long time at

988
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:15,230
times so let's say that that's what it

989
00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:20,720
uses how does it know on entry where to

990
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:23,270
push its tongue to go to these organs

991
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:25,730
how does it have a natural understanding

992
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:29,200
of the anatomy of I mean we're talking

993
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:32,990
we're talking of course goats but we're

994
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:35,770
also talking rabbits were talking Bulls

995
00:57:41,859 --> 00:57:38,809
were talking a variety of both domestic

996
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:41,869
and agricultural animals but this

997
00:57:51,850 --> 00:57:44,130
thing's attack and done is too

998
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:51,860
for her interesting know how often do so

999
00:58:00,860 --> 00:57:54,420
there was a period where it's happened

1000
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:00,870
regularly between no no no no this was

1001
00:58:07,820 --> 00:58:04,980
going on and throughout most of 1995 and

1002
00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:07,830
into 1996 probably throughout a lot of

1003
00:58:15,830 --> 00:58:10,350
that and I do remember that when I got

1004
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,840
back from Puerto Rico that almost well

1005
00:58:20,330 --> 00:58:18,480
every Sunday night for probably three or

1006
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:20,340
four months Sunday night was when

1007
00:58:29,290 --> 00:58:25,890
dreamland came on with art bell they

1008
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:29,300
were always talking about this always

1009
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:33,000
talking about it it just it was that

1010
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:39,450
prominent now I don't know if other news

1011
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:41,910
piece shows got ahold of all this

1012
00:58:45,380 --> 00:58:43,740
information you didn't really see

1013
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:45,390
anything else you in the States as far

1014
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,130
as I'm aware well is this interesting

1015
00:58:57,830 --> 00:58:55,440
you asked about that because law

1016
00:59:03,410 --> 00:58:57,840
enforcement handed it off to the civil

1017
00:59:05,180 --> 00:59:03,420
defense in with the respects that makes

1018
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:05,190
sense because unless a law has been

1019
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:08,160
broken which maybe kind of sort of a law

1020
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:10,760
was broken when you consider livestock

1021
00:59:17,330 --> 00:59:13,410
being private property of somebody and

1022
00:59:18,650 --> 00:59:17,340
it's attacked and killed I'm sure

1023
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:18,660
there's some sort of a law that deals

1024
00:59:31,310 --> 00:59:26,850
with that but police resources need to

1025
00:59:35,180 --> 00:59:31,320
be addressing I guess more mundane crime

1026
00:59:36,830 --> 00:59:35,190
things and so and that was what we

1027
00:59:40,310 --> 00:59:36,840
learned the first day that we were down

1028
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:40,320
there on this trip which was the week of

1029
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:43,980
Valentine's Day in 1996 in fact in the

1030
00:59:47,609 --> 00:59:45,540
documentary when we're in the police

1031
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:47,619
station there's a

1032
01:00:00,569 --> 00:59:52,390
on the on the front of the officers desk

1033
01:00:02,190 --> 01:00:00,579
there's a a pink Cupid with a zero on

1034
01:00:03,809 --> 01:00:02,200
the front so you can definitely tell it

1035
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,819
was Valentine's Day week when we were

1036
01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:05,680
there but there was one of the first

1037
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,940
things that we learned was the police

1038
01:00:13,769 --> 01:00:09,180
department doesn't mess with it anymore

1039
01:00:16,339 --> 01:00:13,779
which became a mystery for us because

1040
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:16,349
the last day that we were in Puerto Rico

1041
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,670
while we were we got a good long

1042
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:20,079
interview with the with the mayor of

1043
01:00:28,019 --> 01:00:25,839
canal Venice senior alcalde Soto we were

1044
01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:28,029
trying to find the police detective that

1045
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:30,430
had allegedly had an encounter with the

1046
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:33,849
chupacabra a detective Rivera I believe

1047
01:00:41,279 --> 01:00:39,670
his name was and so the mayor's on the

1048
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:41,289
phone I'm trying to find the detective

1049
01:00:48,479 --> 01:00:43,569
when he finds out that the civil defense

1050
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:48,489
is dispatching a unit to a nearby area

1051
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:51,390
because of her chupacabra attack report

1052
01:00:55,890 --> 01:00:53,529
so we were in the right place at the

1053
01:00:58,469 --> 01:00:55,900
right time we got to go with them you

1054
01:01:00,120 --> 01:00:58,479
know we all piled on our van they're

1055
01:01:02,130 --> 01:01:00,130
taking their official civil defense

1056
01:01:05,339 --> 01:01:02,140
vehicle we're following behind them this

1057
01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:05,349
is all in the documentary and we go to

1058
01:01:11,099 --> 01:01:09,640
location and we understand that there

1059
01:01:13,620 --> 01:01:11,109
were some rabbits that were attacked

1060
01:01:15,329 --> 01:01:13,630
okay now the reason I'm tying this

1061
01:01:19,339 --> 01:01:15,339
particular story and with what I just

1062
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:19,349
said was that there were some kids out

1063
01:01:23,579 --> 01:01:21,670
riding their bike on the street you know

1064
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,589
and we're all we're all converging on

1065
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:26,319
this you know we got you know our team

1066
01:01:33,209 --> 01:01:28,809
we've got core team our team with us

1067
01:01:36,779 --> 01:01:33,219
we've got senior Rosa who was the the

1068
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,789
mayor's official translator we've got

1069
01:01:41,700 --> 01:01:38,799
senior Battaglia with us who is the

1070
01:01:43,739 --> 01:01:41,710
Minister of Minister of Education for

1071
01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:43,749
economicus we've got all these officials

1072
01:01:47,969 --> 01:01:46,390
with us you know the civil defense you

1073
01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:47,979
know lights and it you know we got

1074
01:02:00,670 --> 01:01:58,180
okay yeah just we have paranormal things

1075
01:02:01,810 --> 01:02:00,680
that happen here so when you when you

1076
01:02:03,490 --> 01:02:01,820
look over there and it's just like

1077
01:02:10,420 --> 01:02:03,500
what's just happening I saw the mic the

1078
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:10,430
microphone unit going this like okay but

1079
01:02:15,930 --> 01:02:12,980
so anyway we got the lights going with

1080
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:15,940
the civil defense you know so you know

1081
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:18,290
neighbors were coming out and wanting to

1082
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:20,330
know what's going on and there were

1083
01:02:23,500 --> 01:02:22,040
three neighbor kids run it riding their

1084
01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:23,510
bikes around the street that Jorge

1085
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,500
wasn't talked heard and they said that

1086
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:32,480
the rabbits had been put in the trashcan

1087
01:02:40,690 --> 01:02:38,690
and put out now the person that was in

1088
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:40,700
the house was not the owner they were

1089
01:02:46,570 --> 01:02:43,630
renting the house the owner Millie

1090
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:46,580
arrived so we did some talking with her

1091
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:49,730
but here's the mystery okay

1092
01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:52,010
the rabbits were allegedly put in the

1093
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:55,400
trashcan put out on the side these kids

1094
01:03:03,580 --> 01:03:00,640
told horror a that the police came by

1095
01:03:09,010 --> 01:03:03,590
opened the trash took the animals out

1096
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:09,020
put the lid back on and took off wait a

1097
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:11,450
minute we've been told by the police

1098
01:03:17,260 --> 01:03:14,810
department of Konoe Venus that the

1099
01:03:21,460 --> 01:03:17,270
police don't deal in it that it's the

1100
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:21,470
civil defense that deals in it so who

1101
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:24,290
was this who was it in the police

1102
01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:26,450
department that did it if in fact it did

1103
01:03:29,470 --> 01:03:28,070
or who is it that was plain like they

1104
01:03:31,950 --> 01:03:29,480
were pleased to come by and pick up

1105
01:03:42,070 --> 01:03:31,960
these this evidence and go off of it

1106
01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:42,080
hmmm don't know a mystery I don't have

1107
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:47,000
any idea you know we were again this was

1108
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:50,470
you know they were promoted as

1109
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:55,190
expeditions when they were really away

1110
01:04:00,130 --> 01:03:57,110
for the person and organizing this to

1111
01:04:02,410 --> 01:04:00,140
have free trips around the world okay if

1112
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:02,420
this were a true expedition we would

1113
01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:04,610
have locked into this thing and we would

1114
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:07,100
have pursued this until there was

1115
01:04:10,460 --> 01:04:07,530
nothing

1116
01:04:13,460 --> 01:04:10,470
to pursuit but we had to break away

1117
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:13,470
because there was other things that we

1118
01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:17,520
were supposed to do and that really

1119
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,070
annoyed me we were that close you know

1120
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:25,680
Billy was saying that that the people

1121
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:28,050
were saying that the chupacabra had been

1122
01:04:35,050 --> 01:04:31,110
being seen in that neighborhood almost

1123
01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:35,060
every night for four months

1124
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:37,710
we should have planted our happy butts

1125
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:38,250
there

1126
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:40,050
we should have camped out overnight and

1127
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:41,520
I should have been able to get something

1128
01:04:48,020 --> 01:04:45,930
on camera but as it was we weren't

1129
01:05:04,460 --> 01:04:48,030
really there to be researchers we were

1130
01:05:08,060 --> 01:05:04,470
there to accommodate tourists absolutely

1131
01:05:14,330 --> 01:05:08,070
well they certainly can come to my

1132
01:05:16,340 --> 01:05:14,340
website i TS - not a / - DMS comm which

1133
01:05:18,770 --> 01:05:16,350
a person will probably be a links here

1134
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:18,780
somewhere around the screen what's the

1135
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,680
earth looking at or they can come where

1136
01:05:27,290 --> 01:05:24,960
they're seeing us now on your website

1137
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:27,300
and you'll probably have a link of some

1138
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:30,210
sort or have it available for viewing on

1139
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:37,260
this side it is just just looking and

1140
01:05:42,050 --> 01:05:39,330
they can find it by just looking at they

1141
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:42,060
can do a search engine Chupacabra the

1142
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:45,440
legend begins and they'll either find

1143
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:48,210
find it come up on their browser through

1144
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:51,930
its DMS comm or they'll find it from

1145
01:06:00,260 --> 01:05:56,610
your site over on do you think the three

1146
01:06:05,610 --> 01:06:00,270
different subjects UFOs Bigfoot and

1147
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:05,620
Chupacabra that they're linked

1148
01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:09,010
beyond just being illegal that's

1149
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:11,470
paranormal but there's some kind of

1150
01:06:18,510 --> 01:06:15,730
connection between these three I think

1151
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:18,520
it's there are some indicators that

1152
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:25,450
there are some similarities I hesitate

1153
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,130
to say that there's a connection because

1154
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:32,400
I don't think that there's something

1155
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:35,920
connecting them like like the inference

1156
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:39,280
might be you know and just for

1157
01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:44,200
clarification of that you know let's say

1158
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:48,580
that you've got okay let's say that

1159
01:06:58,560 --> 01:06:54,970
you've got the st. Louis fourth of July

1160
01:07:01,890 --> 01:06:58,570
Fair going on okay that's an event and

1161
01:07:03,810 --> 01:07:01,900
you've got Ian Heiser Bush as a sponsor

1162
01:07:06,510 --> 01:07:03,820
and you've got Ralston Purina as a

1163
01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:06,520
sponsor well the only connection they've

1164
01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:09,040
got is that they're both sponsors in

1165
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:11,020
this event but the two companies have

1166
01:07:16,290 --> 01:07:13,690
nothing to do with each other okay and

1167
01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:16,300
that's what I would liken this to there

1168
01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:23,550
are some indicators that say that some

1169
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:28,860
Sasquatch carrying odor with them like

1170
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:32,290
sulfur like rotten eggs like something

1171
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:35,890
really foul putrid smelling similar has

1172
01:07:41,370 --> 01:07:39,000
been said about the chupacabra okay

1173
01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:41,380
smells like a pig farm smells like

1174
01:07:46,110 --> 01:07:43,140
sulfur smells like something chemical

1175
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:46,120
okay so you can take these attributes

1176
01:07:52,550 --> 01:07:49,990
and say hmm there's something similar

1177
01:07:55,890 --> 01:07:52,560
here but it doesn't mean that they're

1178
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:55,900
connected in any way I know that there's

1179
01:08:03,690 --> 01:07:58,570
there's a certain continuing contingency

1180
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:03,700
of people out there that want to say big

1181
01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:06,270
feet are alien you know there's you know

1182
01:08:11,820 --> 01:08:10,270
within a given geographic area within a

1183
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:11,830
day or two of each other there may have

1184
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:13,390
been a Bigfoot sighting like for example

1185
01:08:17,070 --> 01:08:14,950
in Pennsylvania

1186
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:17,080
there may be in a Bigfoot sighting and a

1187
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:19,330
day later a UFO sighting in the same

1188
01:08:29,490 --> 01:08:21,330
geographic area or vice versa

1189
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:29,500
okay to me it's a leap to say one is

1190
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:31,810
involved with the other one is connected

1191
01:08:42,209 --> 01:08:37,660
to the other but there may be some some

1192
01:08:44,249 --> 01:08:42,219
situation that they both use if we go

1193
01:08:48,180 --> 01:08:44,259
with the idea of dimensional portals or

1194
01:08:50,999 --> 01:08:48,190
doorways or something maybe they both

1195
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,009
use some sort of a traveling portal to

1196
01:09:00,269 --> 01:08:53,520
get to that same geographic place

1197
01:09:03,959 --> 01:09:00,279
see I'm saying you know you and I and

1198
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:03,969
three other people go out in the woods

1199
01:09:12,329 --> 01:09:07,330
and we're just trailing around and we

1200
01:09:14,999 --> 01:09:12,339
find what I'll call a Tarzan vine and we

1201
01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:15,009
all go wow cool let's play Tarzan and

1202
01:09:19,050 --> 01:09:16,900
you take your return and swing over it I

1203
01:09:24,209 --> 01:09:19,060
take my turn and the other people you

1204
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:24,219
know that doesn't mean that we're all

1205
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:26,230
connected any more than than that

1206
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:32,410
transport way okay so in we have to we

1207
01:09:38,970 --> 01:09:34,450
have to dig for those details because if

1208
01:09:40,890 --> 01:09:38,980
we assume anything you know it's it's

1209
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:40,900
one thing to postulate in the theorize

1210
01:09:48,780 --> 01:09:43,690
and test that but if we assume anything

1211
01:09:52,019 --> 01:09:48,790
to be a fact or reality that's not we're

1212
01:09:56,370 --> 01:09:52,029
hurting our research where we're going

1213
01:10:15,479 --> 01:09:56,380
to wind up with a less a less than

1214
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:15,489
accurate conclusion just that I'm going

1215
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:18,570
to continue doing this and bringing

1216
01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:22,450
bringing the facts as best I can to the

1217
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:24,420
the people

1218
01:10:28,700 --> 01:10:25,860
that are interested in the subject

1219
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:28,710
matter I don't I don't expect everybody

1220
01:10:32,780 --> 01:10:31,020
out there to suddenly go well you know

1221
01:10:36,110 --> 01:10:32,790
like this this movement with disclosure

1222
01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:36,120
about UFOs I'm gonna tell you something

1223
01:10:44,209 --> 01:10:41,340
in my experience I don't care who it

1224
01:10:47,959 --> 01:10:44,219
would be that would maybe come on TV or

1225
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:47,969
whatever you know the Joint Chiefs of

1226
01:10:52,130 --> 01:10:49,770
Staff of the United States that whoever

1227
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:52,140
and come out and say yes UFOs are real

1228
01:11:00,610 --> 01:10:56,370
and aliens are real you're not going to

1229
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:00,620
get everybody out there to go ah

1230
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,770
some people don't give up playing they

1231
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:06,719
don't care it doesn't impact their lives

1232
01:11:14,540 --> 01:11:08,940
I experienced that when I was working it

1233
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:14,550
over Jones & Company back in 86 I was my

1234
01:11:21,260 --> 01:11:17,340
first time deep and move on mutual UFO

1235
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:21,270
network and going on at work about the

1236
01:11:25,459 --> 01:11:23,310
upcoming symposium I was going to go to

1237
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:25,469
and I will never forget her name was

1238
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:26,340
Mary Margaret

1239
01:11:33,380 --> 01:11:29,489
she was the secretary receptionist for

1240
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:33,390
the video department she finally I was

1241
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:35,160
like I always told myself box I was just

1242
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:36,510
going and going and going and she

1243
01:11:43,610 --> 01:11:41,730
finally laughed she goes boo cares I was

1244
01:11:47,090 --> 01:11:43,620
like who cares

1245
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:47,100
Sheils yeah what if there are aliens

1246
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:52,500
where there are spacecraft so what and I

1247
01:11:56,530 --> 01:11:54,090
thought because she was like near

1248
01:12:00,919 --> 01:11:56,540
retirement age and all that I thought

1249
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:00,929
okay maybe for some people it doesn't

1250
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:05,070
mean anything Bigfoot won't mean

1251
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:08,010
anything Chupacabra you know how many

1252
01:12:18,590 --> 01:12:14,780
how many times near do people think of

1253
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:18,600
Aiden's you know unless it has a direct

1254
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:21,290
impact on your life you probably don't

1255
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:25,560
you know give two craps about it okay

1256
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,340
sure

1257
01:12:29,460 --> 01:12:28,380
well Joe thank you very much for your

1258
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:29,470
time

1259
01:12:34,890 --> 01:12:33,520
and I wish you luck with whatever it is

1260
01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:34,900
that you'll be doing in the future and

1261
01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:38,590
I'm sure well we'll meet again sounds

1262
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:13,250
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